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[shipitfish]

Every time I talk about NL cash games, I find myself, at one point or another, insisting how bad it is to play short-stacked in a cash game. In a tourney, of course, you'd prefer not to play short-stacked, but shouldn't quit just because you are. However, I firmly believe that you are usually better off quitting a cash game than playing in it with a short-stack.

To understand why it is such a waste to play short-stacked in a NL HE game, we should first consider what makes a NL¹ game profitable. Jennifer Harman says in Super System 2 that "in no-limit [HE], if you play your cards right, you can trap your opponents for all their chips" (p. 209), and Bob Ciaffone notes in Pot-Limit & No-Limit Poker that, in NL, "you take aim at the person's entire stack" (p. 6). Although many players don't realize it, it is widely agreed that the fundamental principle of a NL game is to get everything your opponent has on the table.

This principle is actually a corollary to poker's fundamental goal: winning as many chips as possible. In limit poker, we accomplish this most often by value-betting and value-raising our strong hands and extracting calls from players holding weaker hands. In NL, our strategy is somewhat different. While we certainly seek to value-bet correctly, we also want to convince our opponents not just to call a value bet (or a series of them), but also to commit their entire stacks when we are a statistical favorite to win.

The betting structure of NL demands this, if we are to pursue poker's fundamental goal. If we misplay our strong holdings in limit poker, we are penalized a big bet or two that might have been called. When we misplay the same hand in NL, we may be passing up situations that could have yielded our opponent's entire stack. This could be a profit in the amount of hundreds of big blinds²!

This key difference in limit vs. NL means that the bulk of introductory poker literature, which typically focuses on limit, gives no priority to full extraction on strong holdings. When prioritizing introductory material, the author must focus on the basics. In poker, that means good starting hand selection, disciplined folds when hands fail to improve, and the like. Only advanced limit players begin to encounter material that helps to maximize profits in tougher games. However, because of NL's nature, even new players must learn this concept early, because, in a NL cash game, they cannot adequately pursue poker's fundamental goal without it.

Yet, I rarely see this point raised in the (albeit limited) NL cash game literature, perhaps since it is obvious to the expert player. (Those two quotes above are the only places I've seen it stated outright.) I see the need to say this explicitly: a player gives up substantial EV in NL cash games when playing short-stacked.

The most simple and straightforward proof can be given with the simplest (and perhaps most profitable) of NL HE situations: AA vs. KK, all-in preflop. There are cases where an experienced player can lay down KK preflop, and you should learn how to. But, most of your opponents will not learn this. When you are lucky enough to hold AA in this situation, you'll usually get all the money in preflop, with an 80% advantage. However, when this situation occurs in a $200 buy-in game, and you have only $80 in front of you while your opponent holds a full $200 buy-in, you gave up a full $96 in EV (80% of the $120 you didn't buy-in for) by playing short stacked.

More subtly, consider this scenario. A player is down on his luck for the evening, and having bought in originally for $200, he's down to a meager $60. If he gets lucky and doubles through someone, he'll have $120. He now needs to earn another $80 (nearly another double-through) to be even for the night. He's climbing uphill to get back to where he was.

Imagine, however, if this player rebought to the maximum buy-in of $200. He's now into the game for $340. However, in this case, if he is fortunate enough to double through someone, he won't still be struggling to be even. He'll instead be up $60 for the session!

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These examples show a clear fact: playing short-stacked keeps you from capitalizing on your opponents mistakes for the maximum possible. However, short-stacked play has additional disadvantages, too. For example, playing short-stacked can frustratingly induce calls from your opponents when they are mild statistical underdogs, yielding more "bad beats". In NL play, when you aren't trying to trap your opponent for his whole stack, then you are seeking to force your opponent to fold hands that are (or could become) the winning the hand if played to the river. How can you do this with a short stack? In NL, more than any other form of poker, the intimidation power of a bet is not merely the bet itself, but the likelihood that, as the play of the hand progresses, larger and larger bets will be made. If you have a short stack, your power to intimidate your opponents in this manner diminishes. You will not be successful in inducing folds of strong draws and (possibly) winning hands.

For example, in a $1/$2 blind NL HE game, suppose you raise before the flop to $8 with your small $60 stack holding the A A . You are left with only $52 to bet after the flop. Suppose you are called by four opponents (not terribly uncommon in a typical loose NL game). The pot stands at $40, and you see a flop of 8 5 3. This is generally a pretty good flop for your holding, but you now have only one move: all-in for your last $52 into the $40 pot. Because loose players love suited cards, it is highly likely that a heart flush draw will be live. And, you're a favorite to get called!

Indeed, your flush-drawing opponent, even if he believes you when your represent an overpair, does not really take all that much the worst of it to call! The pot lays him 1-to-1.76 and he is only a 1-to-1.9 dog to win by the river. I recently made a call like this myself (and was elated to see that my read had been right -- the opponent representing AA held only AKo -- which made my pair outs also live and leaving me nearly even-money to win, and making my call mathematically correct). But, I don't for instant consider that call with money behind.

Indeed, compare my AA example above, with the same cards and betting sequence, but when you instead have a full buy-in behind you. Instead of a $52 all-in on the flop, you'll probably make a $40 pot-sized bet. Your flush-drawing opponent can call if he likes, but his odds aren't even close to being right. You've offered him 1-to-2, which would be pretty good odds if he could see the hand through the river in an all-in situation, but he can look over and see you still have a whopping $152 to bet at him on the turn when the pot is $120. He knows that he must make his flush on the turn to call such a bet, and therefore he is essentially seeing only one card at 1-to-1.9, but he's a 1-to-4 dog. In other words, with the threat of future bets from your big stack, you have the ability to stop gambling players from trying to get lucky on your vulnerable made hands!

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For the tight-aggressive player, the advantages of playing a full stack rather than a short one are clear. When you do trap your opponent for his whole stack, you are sure to get maximum value. When you have a hand that cannot really trap, but is clearly the best, you can win a small pot and make the odds prohibitive, so that if your opponent does get lucky on you, it will have been when he had the worse of it.

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Footnote 1: Throughout this article, I refer to NL games, but I believe nearly everything said here applies similarly to PL games.

Footnote 2: It has always been common practice for limit players to track their winnings in big bets (BB) per hour or per 100 hands. With the advent of so many NL HE cash games, players needed a record-keeping formula for NL games rather than pure dollars. Big blinds (also abbreviated BB, to further confuse everyone) per hour (or per 100 hands) has become a de-facto standard. So, you often must take the abbreviation BB in context. I avoid using it myself unless the full phrases become too cumbersome, because many of my readers are still learning these terms.

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NL vs Limit

[reddogace.livejournal.com]

I've enjoyed browsing your articles about NL. I remember playing Limit with you back at Riverstreet and how negative you were towards it. Seems you have found a liking for NL and have converted. I'd like to also "experiment" with some NL games but I've been so successful at limit I'm finding it hard to crossover.

There is only 1 real reason I don't and I'd like to hear your feedback: In the long run I found that good limit players make more than the good no-limit players because the risk reward ratio doesn't flux as much. For example I could sit at a NL game and consistantly play well all night, and then on one hand a fish hits his 1 outer for my entire stack. My profit for the night is lost.
In limit this loss is minimal, and I'm not consistantly trying to avoid traps. But since in NL you are playing for all your night's profit - a 1 outer hit on the river by your opponent could be devestating. At the same time I see the less skillfull players sitting at NL because of the popularity TV has given it. So one could argue if there are more fish at the NL table you should sit there. God knows most are just sitting there waiting for the one big trap hand. If I could "pocket" some of my stack throughout the night at NL it would be more tempting - but I don't think that would be allowed. I almost compare it to the stock market - limit being a blue chip like GE and No Lmit being a penny stock. Is it better to go with the consistant slow gainer or go for the big score with the big risk?

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It's funny -- you're more or less predicting the posts I have in the hopper under construction for later. I have thought a lot about the variance differences between limit and NL, and I'll have a lot more to say about it soon.

However, when you recall me being down on limit (which came late, actually, in my poker play), was because I suffered some really terrible runs playing limit. The problem I find, when you are at a table full of limit fish, you can easily get hit with some statistically unlikely beats, and they happen over and over. So, while you protect yourself from that "one bad beat", you can have a sum total of them that can hit you must worse.

This comes in part from having to play much bigger. My dollar rate per 100 hands is about the same in $1/2 NL as it is in $10/$20 limit, because better players can win more.

Anyway, I have much more to say, but I'll save it for a later post. I'll end here by saying that I think a good poker player should cultivate very strong skills in all known betting structures (PL, NL, and limit), and all common games (at least Omaha, O/8, Stud, Stud/8 and HE).

[(Anonymous)]

You are wrong about everything.

If you are playing someone who has 20 dollars, it makes no difference if you have 20 or 100 yourself. The strategy will be the same, as long as you have him covered.

When you are playing with a smaller stack than everyone else, you can double up through anyone at the table. This is a way to make sure that you can extract the maximum from each dollar you invest.

Put another way: If you have 100 dollars that you want to put in play, you are often better off putting 20 dollars on five tables and play with a short stack, than putting all on one table (with the same blinds). This may very well yield a much higher profit in terms of hourly rate per dollar invested.

It is nonsense to say that a short stack limits potential gain, when you forget to mention that it also limits potential loss. Of course you can win less with AA vs KK, but you will also lose less with KK.

Personally I mainly play deep stacked no limit up to 5/10 blinds. Deep stacked play is more interesting and challenging, and lets you use your skills. However, to claim that it is somewhat structurally superior to short-stacked play is pure nonesense.

At certain types of games playing with a short stack will actually give you quite a large structural advantage, especially versus loose and aggressive players who raise a lot preflop. Playing tight and aggressive with a small stack against those players can give you a big edge.

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Like the poster above me, I also think that the types of players you are playing against has a lot to do with what type of stack you should buy in for. Against an aggressive-loose table, playing shortstacked can be a huge advantage. While they loose-aggressive player is not afraid of your shortstack, this can be used to your advantage. You reraise with good hands that are probably statistical favorites against a loose aggressive button raise. Most the time they will fold because they were just playing position. And when you have a big PP like QQ, KK, or AA, you almost always get called by JJ all the way down to 55 by the aggressive loose player that raised preflop. However, if you weren't shortstacked they would fold and you'd win $14. This will lead to some bad beats, however, the goal is to get the money in when you are a favorite. Once you double up you are no longer short stacked. You can continue to play or you can leave the table and go to another table short stacked, thus locking in your profit.

Re: Not so cut and dry

[shipitfish.livejournal.com]

This strategy only makes sense if you are not adequately bankrolled or you don't know how to play a loose-aggressive table with a deep stack.

My original post assumed that you are a much better player at than your opponents at all types of NL HE (both deep and short play), so you play the biggest stack you can and keep careful track of who has smaller stacks than you and by how much.

If you aren't good at playing every street, or have other reasons that you just can't do well against players, then by all means play short. But, you can maximize your profits against opponents who play worse than you in all situations if you have more money than they, because you then always have the possibility to take everything they have on a single mistake.

[shipitfish.livejournal.com]

It seems you misunderstand EV. Holding AA vs. KK all-in with $500 in the middle always makes more money than with $100 in the middle, even if you lose sometimes. Read up on what EV is you don't understand that.

If you can't play loose-aggressive players when you have them covered, you are missing some skills.

If you only have a short bankroll, than none of my advice applies. It assumes you are adequately bankrolled for the game you are playing.

Finally, you want everyone at the table covered. If you have $500, the person with less than you has $480, and everyone else has $50, of course you pay differently against the $50 stacks than you do against the $480 stack. My point was: make sure you have everyone covered (as much as the max buy-in allows).

[(Anonymous)]

While I agree you can maximize your wins, you can also maximize your losses. Your point about bankroll size is good, because of the greater variance from sitting down with a bigger stack. In your situation, you were talking about a $1/$2 NL game. Here, I would agree that you want to be sitting with the max. However in a $2/$4 NL game, especially a short handed game, I think there can be significant advantages by sitting with a $140 range instead of the full $400. Players have become so super aggressive with their raises preflop and their constant potsize bets on the flop, if you have supperior reading skills, you play a tight-aggressive game, you can turn their big stacks into small stacks and ur small stacks into big stacks in a short amount of time.

Your example was between $80 and $200 in a $1/$2 game. However in a $2/$4 game, you can be sitting with $140 and someone raises to $14 with 99, you have two callers and you reraise all in or even to $80. You alread have $28 plus the blinds in the pot. 99 is going to call everytime you'll get him all in more than likely. You win around $180 from the pot, putting you at $320 total.

In your example, you play $1/$2 NL, raise with AA and get 4 callers. This is typical of $1/$2 NL. I don't want 4 callers with AA. And I sure as hell don't want to bet almost pot size bet with $140 behind me and 4 players in the hand. If they put me to the test on the flop, do I call off my stack with AA, thinking they have a flush draw? Someone is likely to have hit either a set or a good draw, or worse you are up against a set from one player and a flush draw from another. You are not a favorite at all.

In $1/$2 NL no matter your stack size, you normally have to go to the showdown. I'd rather sit with $140-$200 at $2/$4 NL where you can make money as a statistical favorite vs 1 player not 4. In the $1/$2 game my AA went from 75% favorite to 25% favorite when I get 4 callers.

Another point

[(Anonymous)]

When you buy in short stacked, you have to consistantly rebuy up to your original shortstacked amount. ie - you buy in for $140 and lose a hand and are down to $90, you should rebuy immediately up to $140 again.

[shipitfish.livejournal.com]

You are talking only about decreasing variance, not making more money. The only point in your comment here that makes that much sense is about the variance being much higher when you play with everyone covered. As I said, if you are inadequately bankrolled and you don't like variance, playing short stacked in a bigger game might be better than playing having everyone covered in the smaller game.

OTOH, there is a serious difference in skill level between the $1/$2 games and the $2/$5 games both in Atlantic City and Las Vegas, in my experience. As a strong low-limit player, you are almost always a favorite against all $1/$2 players in these places. $2/$5 probably has some folks better than you. Your short stack will help mitigate your losses, but you are still taking the worst of it when you have players against you who are better poker players.

Finally, I don't believe in the least about the idea of “maximizing your losses”. That's another way of saying “maximizing variance”, but the former way of saying it makes it seem like there is some other idea at work other than variance.

No matter what, having people covered, when you are the better player in all ways, always gives you better EV than playing a short stack. This is particularly true in low-limit casino games where people can (and often do)get up and leave with a lot of money at any moment. You need to maximize your possibility of getting their whole stack in the short time they are there.

The only reasons playing a short stack in a cash game is an advantage are:

• If you are much more skilled at short stack play than big stack play.
• If your bankroll is too small for the game you are playing (i.e., you're taking a shot).
• If session variance is a serious problem for you (related somewhat to the above).
• Many of the players at the table are better players than you, but some aren't.

[(Anonymous)]

I was mainly talkin about online play and playing it short stacked. Also, playing short handed. In live action I always want to sit with a deep stack. I don't particularly like playing the $1/$2 NL game online or in a casino because of the short stacks being haveing really only one move after the flop. I prefer the $2/$5 NL or even $5/$10 NL game in a casino, and I would agree with everything you've said here for a live game. I would be wasting my time to sit short stacked at a live game.

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