i'm not a fan of the turn check-raise. it may or may not have changed what happened in the hand, but i would have made a pot sized bet on the turn.
reasons i don't like the check-raise here: - you have bottom two, which may or may not be the best hand. i don't want to play a big pot here and check-raising increases the pot sized dramatically compared with leading out.
- no one has shown any strength...you have no guarantee that anyone is going to bet. you have a slight expectation of Reno betting (because of history), but think about what check-raising his bet will accomplish: instead of one of the tourists calling with a weak K (giving you value), you're driving them out. a check-raise here will, with few exceptions, only be called by hands that can beat bottom two.
- there are several straight draws and a flush draw. plus about 15% or so of the time, the board will pair and counterfeit one of your pairs. you need to bet to protect your very vulnerable hand.
for the check-raise itself, i think $45 straight was too little. if there were 5 of you seeing the flop for $9 (i wasn't sure if the PF raise was $9 straight, or $9 more), then the flop pot is $45 (minus rake). Reno's bet and your call make the pot $81, so a pot-sized raise makes it $99 straight. i may sometimes make it less...but never less than $80.
if you had flopped two pair, and because of your position relative to the PF raiser, a check-raise would have been acceptable (although i would still have led 90% of the time), but it just doesn't make much sense to me on the turn.
i've mentioned this a few other times...i really don't think there are very many good places for check-raising in a standard NL/PL game.
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Date: 2006-08-22 21:29 (UTC)reasons i don't like the check-raise here:
- you have bottom two, which may or may not be the best hand. i don't want to play a big pot here and check-raising increases the pot sized dramatically compared with leading out.
- no one has shown any strength...you have no guarantee that anyone is going to bet. you have a slight expectation of Reno betting (because of history), but think about what check-raising his bet will accomplish: instead of one of the tourists calling with a weak K (giving you value), you're driving them out. a check-raise here will, with few exceptions, only be called by hands that can beat bottom two.
- there are several straight draws and a flush draw. plus about 15% or so of the time, the board will pair and counterfeit one of your pairs. you need to bet to protect your very vulnerable hand.
for the check-raise itself, i think $45 straight was too little. if there were 5 of you seeing the flop for $9 (i wasn't sure if the PF raise was $9 straight, or $9 more), then the flop pot is $45 (minus rake). Reno's bet and your call make the pot $81, so a pot-sized raise makes it $99 straight. i may sometimes make it less...but never less than $80.
if you had flopped two pair, and because of your position relative to the PF raiser, a check-raise would have been acceptable (although i would still have led 90% of the time), but it just doesn't make much sense to me on the turn.
i've mentioned this a few other times...i really don't think there are very many good places for check-raising in a standard NL/PL game.