I personally don't agree with the "checking it down" theory when a guy is all-in. There's a guy in the Friday night home game I go to who has basically instilled in everyone that whenever someone is all-in you should check it down to eliminate a player. He's pretty much the second best player in the game (behind me of course) and he's a book-smart, strong player, who however plays a little too loose-aggressive, or too Phil-like, if you know what I mean.
Some quick reasons why you might not want to check it down...
You would prefer for the all-in player to survive rather than let your opponent would win the pot. I've never done this but if someone is all willing to fold mid or top pair to a bet when someone is all-in for a small amount, why not tilt him and move him off the hand?
You are ahead of the all-in player but your opponent in the hand could still win the pot if he hits his hand. Example : The hand that busted Tex Barch at last's year WSOP. I believe Paul Phillips wrote about how sick it would have been if Steve Dannenman had taken Hachem off his JJ and won the whole pot while still knocking Tex Barch.
The pot is large against the all-in player and you have a good enough hand that you'd prefer to knock out your opponent and secure your equity in the main pot.
So yes, I agree with you and I follow your arguments regarding not checking it down. I actually think it's a great play and the image you're trying to attain is perfect.
My only problem is that the feeler bet you made smells so weak if it wasn't for the all-in player and the guy respecting your bet thinking you had something, you probably would have been taken off the hand.
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Date: 2006-06-28 04:45 (UTC)Some quick reasons why you might not want to check it down...
You would prefer for the all-in player to survive rather than let your opponent would win the pot. I've never done this but if someone is all willing to fold mid or top pair to a bet when someone is all-in for a small amount, why not tilt him and move him off the hand?
You are ahead of the all-in player but your opponent in the hand could still win the pot if he hits his hand. Example : The hand that busted Tex Barch at last's year WSOP. I believe Paul Phillips wrote about how sick it would have been if Steve Dannenman had taken Hachem off his JJ and won the whole pot while still knocking Tex Barch.
The pot is large against the all-in player and you have a good enough hand that you'd prefer to knock out your opponent and secure your equity in the main pot.
So yes, I agree with you and I follow your arguments regarding not checking it down. I actually think it's a great play and the image you're trying to attain is perfect.
My only problem is that the feeler bet you made smells so weak if it wasn't for the all-in player and the guy respecting your bet thinking you had something, you probably would have been taken off the hand.