On Donkey Play and Relationships to Money
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shipitfishIt was suggested to me not long ago (offline) that the primary reason I
post hand details of bad plays where I point out donkey plays is that
somehow I can't handled the losses and/or variance. The implication
seems to be that someone who says boy, what a donkey play I
made
must be deeply upset over that loss because the money means
too much to them.
Of course, the money means less to rich people, particularly those who play at only lower stakes that are basically financially meaningless and cost less than a nice dinner out. I try to carefully balance the value of money. In poker, you can never focus in the value of the money during the game — down that path leads to tight-weak play. But, you also can't think of it as valueless entertainment dollars either, because in those cases, you can easily excuse your inability to play correctly with the fact that the money “just doesn't matter”.
You also have to be ready, willing, and able to admit that you're a bad player, even if being such only lasted one session or one hand. You've got to be ready to call yourself a “donkey” once in a while. As Thomas Keller wrote the first time the term “donkey” appeared in Card Player magazine:
Donkey is generally perceived as a friendly word, and few people I have run across have taken great offense at being called a donkey — whether it be for making a bad play or accidentally posting right in front of the big blind. Even I have been called a donkey at times for things I have done at the poker table, and I usually have gotten a good chuckle out of it. Lots of professionals will even refer to themselves as donkeys when they make a mistake, saying such things as, “I played that hand like a donkey”, or sometimes they just let out a good heehaw (the sound a donkey makes).
Playfully calling yourself out for a stupid action doesn't necessarily have anything to do with fear of variance or otherwise being unable to handle the losses. I agree that one should avoid playing for stakes where the losses would be too much to handle. However, there is no reason that being honest with oneself about one's game relates to playing above one's head.
I play for stakes where I can take a loss that is meaningful. While I believe somewhat in the relative nature of wealth — I know that the man with a million dollars has trouble proper valuing $100 — I try to keep in mind that even $20 is enough for anyone to be well fed for a day, and therefore it has absolute value that no one's relative wealth can ever obscure. But, since I'm playing for meaningful stakes, it also means I can win amounts each year that are meaningful as well. It's amazing to me to have a hobby that, unlike so many others that just cost (sometimes waste) money, can turn a profit. By keeping a bankroll appropriate to the stakes that I play, if I'm a winning player over the long term, I can survive whatever variance comes my way.
But, I'm careful to keep this concept — bankroll variance and serious losses — separate from my analysis of the game and mistakes in it. Sometimes people will describe a hand where they faced a draw out, and then believe that such a loss is equivalent to one where a terrible play was made that cost them just as much. Money lost as a “donkey” and money lost when playing correctly are deeply different things.
It was tough for me early in my poker career to start picking apart this distinction. One of the reasons it took me so long to figure out that I was abusing semi-bluffing was that I won so often doing it. It's hard to realize how much of a donkey you were when you walk out a winner because you got called every time you were semi-bluffing and happened to get lucky a few times in a row. This principle has an impact the other way, too. If you lose, you have to figure out whether it was your fault or merely bad luck.
One of the key truths of poker is that every player makes mistakes.
It's already pretty hard for all but the best players in the world
not to do so. Games like poker, where you need lots of conflicting
technical information at your fingertips while simultaneously making
educated guesses about your opponents' private information, can
easily cause you to make awful plays. We all make plenty of them
when we play poker. As Phil Ivey said on a recent Learn Poker
From the Pros broadcasts: I make mistakes every time I sit
down to play poker
. If Ivey's sometimes a donk, how can anyone
say it's wrong to admit to yourself that you might have been a donk,
too?
My game got substantially better when I took “default ownership” for hands. By this, I mean I started assuming that I'd done something wrong, and forced myself to prove that what I'd done was correct. Occasionally, the proof becomes a justification for bad play. However, most of the time, if you force yourself to disprove the hypothesis that you're an (albeit temporary) donkey, you have a much better chance of being honest about your game and improving.
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good point
Date: 2006-03-23 15:32 (UTC)Ofen times, it was my fault. Gambling distracted (hungry, tired, drunk, while surfing the Internet) is often times the culprit. Other times, I just get caught up in the moment. My biggest problem, currently, is playing my hand (only) instead of playing the table (i.e. the players). I also have noticed that, when I'm distracted, I'll find myself staring down at a heads up pot on the turn and realize that I have no idea what cards the other guy is holding. Luckily, I've been playing mostly for free lately.
I've been reading the Psychology of Poker lately. I'm reading it once from front to back... it's helping me shape my image of myself. I will probably re-read it at some later date with a more serious approach. Right now, I'm just gleaning information and insights into my and others' play. It is helpful.
Thanks for the recommendation.
(man, can I babble or what?)
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Date: 2006-03-23 20:27 (UTC)On the other hand, if they disclaim themselves before hand, with warnings or excuses, then I start to get worried. My mind starts to wonder if they have emotional insecurities or if they are about to dupe me. :-)
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