Not A Favorite at 10/20. I Belong at 3/6. Ship It, Fish!

[shipitfish]

Yesterday, I had losing session at the Foxwoods $10/$20 limit HE. I am completely unhappy about my play. I lost $500, or 25 big bets. However, I was down 40 or so big bets at one point, and hitting a two outer was what yielded my partial recovery.

So, I've written up some hands, and I would really appreciate comments from the experienced limit players who read my journal. Greg often says that the $10/$20 is the toughest limit HE at Foxwoods, but I am pretty sure this game wasn't actually tough -- at least the second table I got to. I think if I were a good enough player, I could have beaten it. I am sure that most of you could beat a $10/$20 where on average six people were seeing the flop, usually for a raise, and where usually three or more saw the turn.

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Hand 0: JJ at the Tight Table No Good

However, at the first table where I was sat, it was a pretty tight-aggressive game. Usually, the flop was seen three-handed or heads-up, and usually for a raise. I decided I was only going to stay in this game until they called me for the $5/$10 game, or if I magically built a little $20/$40 session bankroll.

While I was waiting for one of those things to happen (the latter being highly unlikely), I caught J J in middle position. It was raised, and cold-called in front of me, and I made it three bets. We saw the flop of T 6 4 three-handed with 9 SBs in the pot.

At this point I was unsure if I had the best hand. Given the preflop action, I think it's unlikely someone has flopped a flush, unless it's the nuts (with, say, A Q or A J). I decided that I had to play a big pair as the best hand unless I found out otherwise, though, because I had to charge any club draws that were out. I bet the flop and got two callers and saw a 2 on the turn with 6 BBs in the pot.

They again checked to me. I figured that I had to bet again. I expected to be check raised, but the possibility that the naked A and the naked K were calling me down in two hands was certainly a possibility. I was prepared to fold to a check-raise when I bet, but I just got two callers, leaving the pot at 9 BBs. We checked down the river (another blank), and I was shown the other two jacks, and pocket kings without the K. The dude with the jacks made fun of me for betting down to the river with merely jacks and no club. But, the slow-played kings were just a total surprise. If he woke up with a big pair, I would have thought it to be queens.

I suppose the early position jacks dude was right; I should have check-folded after the flop. I think I could have just checked this hand on the flop and folded on the turn. Why should have I pushed, assuming they were drawing against me, when they could have very well had me beat? I suppose that was 1.5 BB mistake.

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Hand 1: Moved To a Loose Table, Folded For Hours, Then Top Two Pair

I moved to a loose table and proceeded to get dealt unplayable starting hands for the first three hours. I saw a total of three flops in three hours, and missed all of them and folded. The game was quite loose -- a mixture of some loose-aggressive bluff-addicts who bordered on hyper-aggressive, and some old-fashioned calling stations. I watched every hand for hours and filled away tendencies, waiting for a playable hand.

I suppose out of frustration, I limped in with A9o from the SB when only three people had limped. I felt that since I hadn't played a hand in a few hours, that I would get some respect if an A flopped, and the two calling stations in the pot were paying off most top pairs with middle pair almost every hand, so I figured that I had good implied odds for a weak ace. Also, everyone was raising with AJ and up, so only AT could outkick me.

I flopped top two pair with A-6-9 rainbow. I bet out, fearing a likely check-around, and got two callers. The turn was a 7, and I was check-raised by Mr. Bluff Addict, who tended toward hyperaggressive. There were 8 BBs in the pot, and I was almost positive I was way ahead of the third player in the pot (I had him on a weak ace), but Mr. Bluff Addict's raise was a mystery. While he was often overplaying top pair (with hands like T7 on a straightened board) for a cap on the flop, he rarely raised the turn, even to bluff. OTOH, I felt the reason I didn't see him raising the turn was because he took such control on the flop by three-betting, so I realized this was the first time I'd even seen him raise on the turn.

I decided that A7 was a possible hand. I figured if that wasn't it, he'd made a straight with T8, or had a set. I knew that I would get an overcall here and on the turn and river by the Calling Station's ace, so I called for 2-to-13 (turn and river). The river was a 2, and I saw a set of sixes from the Bluff Addict and A3o from the Calling Station.

Was 1-to-6.5 enough to call him down? I thought A7 was possible, because he'd been playing pretty loose, but T8 and 66 were both reasonable possibilities (he would have raised with 99 or AA preflop, and would not have seen the turn with 77). Anyway, I made a 2 BB mistake there. Since I hadn't seen him raise the turn before, I had to give him credit for a big hand. Does he have a big hand more than 80% of the time in this spot? Probably. I think I could fold.

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Hand 2: Another Wasted BB on a Flopped Two Pair

A little while later, I caught 4 5 in the big blind. I checked after a field of five limped. The flop fell 4 5 3. I check-raised Mr. Loose Aggressive, whose bet had cleared the field. We saw the turn with 5 BBs in the pot. The turn was disaster for me -- a 6 -- but I bet out anyway relatively quickly, thinking to myself: "I've made my flush". I was immediately raised, and thought for a few moments and decided to fold. The player was loose-aggressive, but he must be beating middle two pair on a board like that. He was surprised that I folded, and showed his hand (and, by the way he showed it, he obviously was thinking that he was showing a bluff). He held the 5 6. I found it quite interesting that he thought I was beating his hand in that spot, and that he'd successfully bluffed me. I think he thought that I had flopped a small straight and he could semi-bluff me off it when the flush got there.

Anyway, I wasted a big bet on the turn. Surely, he had something that improved over two small pair when the turn came the way it did. I could easily check-fold and save a bet.

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Hand 3: My Read Was Right, and I Had Odds, But So What?

The next round, I got dealt A 9 in the cut-off. I limped into a pot from the cut-off with three limpers ahead of me. The big blind checked, and I flopped the nut flush draw when it came K 6 7. I checked it, figuring there was likely a king out to bet, and thus the pot would build. Someone did bet, and I got a good read that he had KJ or KT, as this relatively tight player would have surely raised with KQ or better, wouldn't play any other kings but those, and wouldn't bet without at least top pair. I was the only caller, and we saw the turn with a little less (due to rake) than 4 BBs in the pot.

The turn fell 8. I felt this was a huge card for me. I was pretty sure this guy had that medium king, which means that the remaining three aces, nine clubs and the six non-club tens and fives were surely outs. When he bet his king, I decided to semi-bluff raise. I was getting pure odds of about 1-to-2.50 on the bet. If he called, I was getting 1-to-3 when I was only a 1-to-1.6 dog for 18 outs. In a way, it was a raise for value (so I thought at the time). He called, and there wasn't much value in it when the 2 fell and I had a worthless Ace-high that couldn't bluff him off his king. I was sure he'd made a decision to call me down for 1-to-9 odds with his king almost every time, so I didn't bluff at the river. I checked and the table looked at me amazed when his K T was good and I mucked. I suppose roryk will tell me I'm being results-oriented, and I do see the math working. But, math aside, it sure doesn't feel positive-EV when I saw that two of spades fall knowing he'll call a river-bluff. I won't go as far as saying I wasted BBs here, as I see the positive-EV, but perhaps a better player would not have been so aggressive knowing there is no bluff equity at the river when the draw misses.

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Hand 4: Another Two Hours, One Starting Hand, 15 Outs No Good

I folded (and check-folded my BB) for the next two hours. I felt like I was being blinded off in a tournament. I had actually blinded off about five BBs at one point before I played a hand, when I picked up A K in the small blind. It had been limped then raised behind me, and three people had called the raise cold. I decided to three-bet, because I felt I would knock the loose-aggressive big-blind off his hand, and perhaps lose the first limper. To my partial surprise, Mr. Loose Aggressive in the big blind capped it (which he'd do with any pair above sevens or any suited big cards), and to my amazement we saw the flop six-handed with 24 SBs in the pot.

I didn't really want to flop a pair, because I had to give someone credit for a big pair, and I was worried I might be up against a set while I was way behind with top pair. I was elated when the flop came Q T 3. I decided not to bet out, which I would have done for value in most situations. However, I was sure anyone with a naked Q would raise my bet in this game, and I preferred a big field to see the turn.

It was indeed bet, and even raised to me. I thought about three-betting, but I really wanted callers. And, cold-calling raises on the flop was basically "standard practice" in this game, so it wouldn't look suspicious. I cold-called, as did Mr. Loose Aggressive, and one other behind him. The original bettor called, and we saw the 5 turn with about 16 BBs in the pot.

I checked again, and the flop-raiser bet. We saw the river -- a useless 3 four-handed with 20 BBs in the pot. It checked around, and the button (the flop raiser) showed Q 2, Mr. Loose Aggressive (the preflop-capper) showed K J and the rest mucked upon seeing the queen.

So, the aces weren't my outs, but I didn't think they were during the hand because I was sure someone flopped at least two pair with QT. I thought I was calling with 12 outs to the nuts. Turns out that Kings were good too (unless someone had KT), and a jack was dead in Mr. Loose Agressive's hand, so in hindsight, I had 15 outs.

And let's review: Q2s on the button sees a cap and raises with top pair on that flop. KJs is the pre-flop capper. And, by the way, what does everyone else have that they call down with that can't beat kickerless top-pair? Random suited diamond hands (guess I only had 11 or 13 outs)? I sat there thinking (a) how is this not a good game and (b) how am I losing in this game. Sitting here now, I am thinking that if any of those 15 outs come, which I'm a favorite to catch by the river from the flop, I'm basically even for this session! But, at the same time, I look at my recent results and have to admit: I'm over my head; my results say I lose in $10/$20 over time.

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Hand 5: Some Starting Hands Before I Have To Leave, But a Stupid Play with AKo

I started to get some starting hands an hour before I had to leave. I saw a flop with QJ from middle position, called a raise for odds in a large multi-way pot, but failed to connect. Then, I caught AKo against the Bluff Addict. He'd limp-called my raise from early/middle position when I was in the cut-off and a raggedy flop of 5-4-2 rainbow fell. He bet and I raised, and he called. I figured he had played something goofy and paired, because he would have three-bet me there with an overpair or two pair. (I was prepared to fold to that three-bet, but he just called.)

I don't think my flop raise was right; the pot was small (only 7 SBs when I raised into it). I guess I felt my effectively tight-weak table image that all that folding had yielded might account for something. Obviously, it didn't and I wasted a bet. I checked through the Q on the turn, and when the T came on the river, making a three-flush. He bet. I stupidly called with the nut-no-pair, and was shown the 5 6. That was absolutely a wasted big bet on the river. (What bluff do I catch? He's probably bluffing with the best hand in that spot anyway.) I am very skeptical that the raise on the flop was right. This guy wasn't the type that liked being bullied out of pots, regardless of the fact that I had played like five hands in an matter of four hours. I'd wasted 1.5 BBs.

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Hand 6: Overplayed Pocket Tens

A few hands later I caught black tens in middle position. I raised, and the big blind -- a calling station who also liked to make fancy plays -- defended. The flop fell 3 3 6. He checked, I bet, and he called. We saw the turn (5 ) with 3 BBs in the pot. He checked, I bet, and he check-raised. I faced a odds of 1-to-3 to call to the river. I had never seen this guy check-raise on a bluff or even a semi-bluff before, so I think I had to put him on a 3 or something better. I guess because I hadn't played many hands, and I knew I had a tight-weak table image, I felt that I should call him down. This was certainly a two BB mistake, because there was no evidence to suggest he'd check-raise the turn with anything less than a three. Indeed, I don't think he was even really the type that would notice my apparent tight-weak play this session. I called down and got shown 3 7 after I called the bet when the A fell on the river. I should have folded to the check raise on the turn. My heads up play sucks.

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Hand 7: My First AA Gets Lucky, But Badly Played

About 15 minutes before I had to leave, I got AA for the first time for the session. An early player limped, Mr. 3-7-Suited raised, and I three-bet. We saw the flop three-handed with 9 SBs in the pot. It was checked to me when Q-9-5 rainbow showed, and I bet. I got called by both. I had a feeling they both had queens, and I thought 3-7-Suited might have AQ. However, I was a bit concerned because I would have expected him to check-raise or bet out with AQ on the flop. His call indicated he was either beating AQ, or had substantially weaker than that. I was a bit unsure what he'd raise with before the flop and then only call on the flop. All the hands I could think of were beating me.

The turn came another 5, putting two hearts on the board. They both checked to me. I bet again and 3-7-Suited check-raised after the fellow in-between us had called. I was quite sure the latter had a medium queen, so I go really worried what 3-7-Suited had. He liked the "check-call, then check-raise" move with his big hands. I had to give him credit. I got worried I had a two-outer. I suppose out of frustration of being out-flopped, I decided to call down with the pot laying me 2-to-11. I actually think was a terrible move. I had to have a two-outer here. There was basically no question. He must have 99 or QQ. I lied to myself and thought: "Well, he could have a good queen and picked up a heart draw on the turn". I was bull-shitting myself.

My two outer hit. The river was the A. 3-7-Suited bet, I raised, and he quickly reraised. I thought about the possibility for pocket fives for a moment, decided that he couldn't have raised before the flop from early position with fives, and I reraised. He called, saying "If you have aces, more power to you". I quietly showed my hand and the dealer shipped it. (Ship it to the fish.)

The guy began berating me for calling the check-raise on the turn. Mr. Bluff Addict began saying how the situation was destine to happen because "he [with a scoff, referring to me] can't lay down aces in that spot, and that you [no scoff to 3-7-Suited] won't lay down queens to a three-bet". 3-7-Suited kept ranting, and told the story again to a player who had just returned from the bathroom.

I finally said, "It was karma for out-flopping me with 3-7-suited earlier." Then he says, "oh, it's just another hand, why don't you shut up?". I decided that I wasn't above taking some good advice from a jerk, so I did shut up.

I left about five minutes later when the blinds came to me, and he demanded: "Where are you going with my chips?" I responded: "I gave it back to you -- your precious seat change button, right?" (He and I had had a disagreement earlier after I asked for the seat change button once he'd moved seats. He refused to give it to me, saying he hadn't gotten his preferred seat and, since, no one wanted the seat he'd moved to, it therefore didn't require that he use his seat change button to go to a seat no one else wanted. I asked the dealer for the next seat change button in sequence, and she demanded his instead (to my surprise), and that got him angry.) The guy, seeing that I was definitely leaving and he couldn't convince me to stay, started relaying the story of the hand to another person who had also returned since then from a break.

This was all typical poker silliness and whining, but the truth is that I should have folded to that check-raise on the turn. There's no way I am better than a 1-to-5.1 dog in that situation. What else can he check-raise me with other than something that's beating aces badly? I am such a fish. Ship it, fish!

Final Tally of Clearly Wasted BBs: 8.0. That's $160.

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Nothing Above What Lee Jones Covers

The truth is that while I might have good starting hand selection and reasonable on-the-flop play, I'm a shitty HE player on the turn and river, both in limit and NL. I don't belong playing beyond $3/$6 games and $25 buy-in PL/NL. I've been over my head for a long time, and it's about time I admitted it to myself, and started eking it out at the lower limits rather than siphoning money from those games into the middle-limit games.

Tell me, dear readers. I have never lied in my journal; I lie about what I had at the table or what I was thinking, but never here. I learned long ago that denial is a dangerous thing. And, if I'm honest, my logs say I have never beaten a $10/$20 game consistently, and that I am break-even at $5/$10. roryk told me once he didn't understand why I wasn't playing at the highest levels yet. I don't understand it myself, but I have to be honest and say the results say I don't belong there. The edges are obviously just too thin, and I make stupid mistakes (like with the TT and the unpaired AK that cost me a few bets here and there), and there goes my profit. I make a few more of those mistakes, and I'm a losing player. I can't reach the perfection necessary to beat these games. More power to those of you out there that can. I need to learn my limitations and stick around the baby limits, or quit poker altogether.

Comments

[roryk.livejournal.com]

Dude:

Hand #1: You messed up this hand by not betting the river too. Bet the river. The guy who has KK missed a ton of bets, you should have lost more in this hand. You have an overpair and nobody has raised you once. Nobody capped it preflop so you can't put them on a big pair. When you have an overpair and it is checked to you, bet every time. If you bet your overpair even when every draw in the world got there when it was checked to you, you still would make money overall. People will call with hands that you beat more often than they call with hands you don't, so bet! You are so results oriented, dude. What if you bet the river, got called, and AT with the ace of clubs called. Do you still post and say you played it bad by betting your hand the whole way? You are only posting because you lost. But you should have lost more money and not pussed out and bet the river too. Bet bet bet. Bet!!!!

Hand #2:
If there is a loose aggressive guy in the pot with you, guess what they do when you check to them and a scary card hits? They bet, even if they don't have it. So checking and folding you invite yourself to get bent over the table and drilled by this guy constantly bluffing you whenever a scary card hits. A good plan would be to check the turn and call and check and call the river too. Don't let the laggy guys push you off hands. I would have lost more money on this hand too. 2 BB instead of 1, because there is no way I am folding two pair to a LAGgy guy.

Hand #3:
You should raise the limpers with A9s from the cutoff. A9s plays well multiway, and the pot is multiway. If you raise, the button might fold, giving you last position which is worth a SB. The players also might check to you on the flop because you raised, and you can take a free card if the flop totally misses you, effectively seeing a 4 card flop. You should raise hands as weak as T9s here, to try to steal the button and to get the option of taking a 4 card flop. The spot to raise in this hand is on the flop, to try to take a free card on the turn. On the turn, if you put the guy on the king, the raise doesn't have much point if there is no way he is going to fold the king. A raise is good only if you think he will fold a certain percentage of the time. If you are 1:1.6 or whatever, you are still losing money on every bet that goes in with only 1 other player in if the guy won't ever fold. Pop him on the flop and give yourself some options on the turn. You want to use that position to your advantage. He bets, you raise, you take a free card on the turn. That is why you raise preflop with A9s, so you can be last to act so you have the option of making plays like this or representing a big hand. I bet if you had raised preflop and popped him on the flop he would not have 3 bet on the flop and you could check behind when he checks the turn. His J kicker doesn't look so good because it sure looks like you have a bigger king.

[roryk.livejournal.com]

Hand #4:
I would jam that flop. You have two overcards, a gutshot to the nuts and the nut flush draw and multiple people interested. You are getting value putting money in with the flush draw alone. Cap it if you can, get as much money in there as you can, you are making money off of every bet going in even if you dont get there. Maybe that guy would have folded his TPNK if the flop got capped, who knows. It doesn't matter, your draw is so huge you should go borrow money off you friends to put into that pot. You are behind to a set (and not by much) that's about it. If you miss then you miss, that's poker. It's all about putting as much money in the pot as you can when you have the best of it, and you have the best of it here so JAM IT and don't worry about how it turns out.

Hand #5: Your raise on the flop wasn't bad. You got a free card with the worse hand. I dunno about the river call-- sometimes it is ok to call there, maybe he has a 3 or some shit and missed his straight. How about he tables 83 of clubs for 8 high and your hand is good? The way you played it is fine, man! I wouldn't sweat it at all.

Hand #6: Calling down is fine. The guy likes to make fancy plays. A fancy play I see all the time is the clever pretend-I-have-trips-check-raise-turn-bluff. I would never fold TT here unless the guy showed me his 3 or I knew the player very very well.

Hand #7: Dude, you have aces, where are you going? You are getting 6-1 to spike two pair or your set-- you might even be ahead, who knows. I don't fold there very often either. The part where you really misplayed your hand was on 6th street. When the dealer was gathering the cards and you were gathering the pot and the guy was bitching. Don't respond. Don't get drawn in. Just stack the chips and say nothing. It will help you remain steady.

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Throw away Lee Jones and buy "Small Stakes Hold 'em" by Ed Miller. That book is awesome. Keep posting your hands on here and getting advice. You just had a bad run of cards. It happens.

you get too embroiled

[(Anonymous)]

i'm not going to comment on how you played these particular hands. not only did rory did a good job of commenting on them, but i think it is somewhat pointless to discuss individual hands in this way. the focus is too much on minor edges and single bets, and ignores so many of the complexities and interactions that occur throughout the entire session.

should you raise pre-flop with A9s from late position? i certainly would, but whatever... that's not going to turn you from a losing to winning player.

i think you need to work on just blending into the poker game at a casino. your post mentions getting in some odd dispute over the seat change button, along with another exchange about how you played AA, etc. that ignores other things that i'm guessing probably happened. interactions like asking people why they played certain hands in a certain way. or staring a person down after they raise you on the turn.

all of these actions draw attention to you at the poker table. they make people think "oh man, i'm going to put some moves on that guy." or "i can't wait until i get a chance to raise that dude on the turn" or "i'm going to try to win a pot with absolute rags against that guy."

basically, it makes you a target for people to try and get. sometimes that's great -- these players are playing worse (or differently, at least) and it gives you the potential to take extra money from them. if some player wants to try and crack my AA with some slop -- great! please try and crack my AA. on the other hand, if several players have decided that they're gunning for me, and it's making me uncomfortable and confused, then i might find myself in some tough spots. as rory said, they'll effectively bend your ass over the table and FEED IT to you.

when i play poker at a casino i just blend in. i sit down, smile at my neighbors, watch the action closely, and play good poker. i never talk about anything poker-related. i don't remark about hands, playing styles, bad beats -- nothing. i'm very aggressive, and i certainly have a strong table presence. but i keep it all in good fun.

i have never once been in an argument or dispute with any person at the table. i encourage people to be friendly with me. i love it when players befriend me and flash me their cards, etc. and conversely, i secretly gun for players that i think are off their feet. if somebody is in pain, i'll chat them up, but i'll also put their balls in the vice.

when i leave a game i would guess that the only things people remember about me are:
1) that i'm dressed somewhat nicely in a coat, collared shirt, etc
2) that i played aggressively and pumped some pots with some marginal hands. (he really 3 bet that flop with an underpair to the board!?)
3) that i was quiet and happy and was never phased at all by any beat, however ridiculous. (that guy didn't even flinch when i showed him quads! he just smiled and said "wow, quads are a good hand.")
4) that i gave a nice goodbye, saying that it was very nice playing with them and that i hope they keep having fun.

if you were as emotionally charged as your post indicates, then you definitely need to relax, play lower stakes, or take a break. don't get so down on yourself. poker is just a game, and if you don't have a positive, confident, happy attitude about it, then you won't play well.

keep your chin up, buddy.

Analytical vs Instinctive

[reddogace.livejournal.com]

Bradley: First let me say I enjoy reading your entries, they prove interesting and entertaining.

I had to comment on your final summation about not being able to bring yourself to play at the higher levels. I have always considered myself an instinctive player. You are the polar opposite of myself - very analytical, always calculating. My piece of advise to you is concentrate more on the instinctive part of the game. Buy Mike Caro's dvd about "tells" it is VERY good - might seem outdated ad obvious to some, but there is alot of good stuff in there. Pick up some poker psychology books about bluffing. Howard Lederer has one that's ok, Caro's is better. Watch the World Series tournaments, BUT don't watch the cards and the size of the pot, watch the players themselves - watch for how they talk, act, move, sit when they have the hand vs when they don't. To put it simply "Play the player not the cards".

You have the analytical part of the game down, but if you are sure some guy is bluffing and you are not getting the odds to call - call anyway, don't let the bullies push you around because you base your play on odds all the time.

Rob C

Poker Sucks Sometimes...

[frankieriver.livejournal.com]

Bradley,

I’m sad to say that I took some time to analyze the hands you listed above, but somehow have lost my own responses and can’t find it in me to re-type a lot of good info. However, I’ve read over roryk’s assessment of your play and have to agree with a lot of the points he came across. In short, the only hands I thought you grossly misplayed were the A9s and AKo. I would have lost the same if not more on the overpair v. bigger overpair, top two v. flopped set, two pair v. turned higher two pair (great fold by the way), nut flush/str8 draw that didn’t get there, and an overpair against flopped trips. When I look at it this way, your session was a result of badluck/unlucky/whatever you want to call it – not however bad play.

In terms of Greg’s comments on the 10/20 limit HE @ Foxwoods being the toughest game, I would have to disagree. I have logged hundreds of hours at this game, it is where I primarily play, and is were I have won the most money in poker (and lost as well). Quite simply, however, the game is high variance. I have fairly extensive records on my play in this game, which I’d be glad to share – but it shows a very very beatable game. Table selection is key – you want to find a mix between the first table you were at, and the second. Unless you can deal playing with the complete monkeys (table 2), you want one or two tight players that you can easily keep tabs on, yet enough people calling two bets cold with Q2, hitting top pair, and seeing the river.

A little over a year ago now, I played with you at my first Riverstreet session. My first reaction of you was quite simply fear – you were the only person sitting at that table that I did not want to get involved in a pot with. You seemed good, great, professional…that table image that only (I hear) the great’s have. I would consider you a good, solid, player. Poker sucks sometimes: the grind, the highs and lows, having to deal with not winning every time. In this game, you simply cannot win every time you play. That’s what sucks the most. Keep your head up, keep analyzing your game like you are with this awesome journal – it’s helped me a lot, as I’m sure it’s helped you as well. Play more, learn more, and you will only get better. I hope you keep up the great discussions as well; I enjoy them more than you know.

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