it's interesting, our approaches to online limit are substantially different:
hand 1: yay, love when that happens. one could say that success at online limit is sitting around waiting for this to happen. (but of course most of us get impatient, doh)
hand 2: i am rarely folding two pair in a five-handed game against an aggresive player who has position on me. but, the flow of the table will dictate me doing so at times. usually i am cry calling all the way down since, as you mention, the chances of a bluff are high. when the flush comes you should seriously consider checking the turn and check-calling all the way (except of course when the friendly jack comes). by check-calling you are not only protecting against a raise, but you can induce bluff attempts.
hand 3: i don't like three-betting here. i assume you're three-betting for information. however, don't you think you gain as much if not more information by calling the turn and letting the original bettors (who must act before you) act against one another again on the turn? the added benefit is the person who woke up with the best hand, who also acts before you, might define his hand as well on the turn before it gets to you too. when the flop is capped i am definitely calling one more bet due to the backdoor nut flush draw and set draw.
hand 4: this is where we most differ. in this hand i am betting the flop, calling a check-raise, and calling down (am i giving up too much information in this post? geez, where is our cutthroat competitiveness, bradley?). the cap on the turn is something i would never do. on the river, what if instead of leading out he check-raised you. if that happened (and it could've) you have just given up two big bets, trying to value bet yourself. you point out yourself that this play is incorrect - i am pointing out that with a slightly different approach to limit he (a more defensive approach) the thought would've never occured to you in the first place.
in other situations you love making bets for information, and yet at a crucial information gathering spot in this hand, the flop, you check instead.
as i think about your summary more, there are several situations where i would fold to a check-raise on this flop. maybe at this table at this moment this would've been one of them, i can't say. at first your comment "maybe i should've folded to a check-raise on the flop" struck me as something i wouldn't do, but now i realize it falls into a nice defensive philosophy.
let's say you did get check-raised on the flop: then hand four would be a perfect example of how at the crucial moment of a hand, when a "tight" fold is usually the best move, how if you make the mistake of continuing on instead the mistake ends up compounding itself on every street (when your dominated two pair arrives) and you can't get away. this compounding mistake issue - and having the discipline to never get stuck in it the first place - is the main thing i'm working on currently.
what you may want to work on is gathering information in a more passive way. doing so will require you to at times make more instinctual call/fold decisions than if you raised a bunch of times and then got away from the hand with a clear conscience, yet less chips in your stack.
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Date: 2005-03-03 05:26 (UTC)hand 1: yay, love when that happens. one could say that success at online limit is sitting around waiting for this to happen. (but of course most of us get impatient, doh)
hand 2: i am rarely folding two pair in a five-handed game against an aggresive player who has position on me. but, the flow of the table will dictate me doing so at times. usually i am cry calling all the way down since, as you mention, the chances of a bluff are high. when the flush comes you should seriously consider checking the turn and check-calling all the way (except of course when the friendly jack comes). by check-calling you are not only protecting against a raise, but you can induce bluff attempts.
hand 3: i don't like three-betting here. i assume you're three-betting for information. however, don't you think you gain as much if not more information by calling the turn and letting the original bettors (who must act before you) act against one another again on the turn? the added benefit is the person who woke up with the best hand, who also acts before you, might define his hand as well on the turn before it gets to you too. when the flop is capped i am definitely calling one more bet due to the backdoor nut flush draw and set draw.
hand 4: this is where we most differ. in this hand i am betting the flop, calling a check-raise, and calling down (am i giving up too much information in this post? geez, where is our cutthroat competitiveness, bradley?). the cap on the turn is something i would never do. on the river, what if instead of leading out he check-raised you. if that happened (and it could've) you have just given up two big bets, trying to value bet yourself. you point out yourself that this play is incorrect - i am pointing out that with a slightly different approach to limit he (a more defensive approach) the thought would've never occured to you in the first place.
in other situations you love making bets for information, and yet at a crucial information gathering spot in this hand, the flop, you check instead.
as i think about your summary more, there are several situations where i would fold to a check-raise on this flop. maybe at this table at this moment this would've been one of them, i can't say. at first your comment "maybe i should've folded to a check-raise on the flop" struck me as something i wouldn't do, but now i realize it falls into a nice defensive philosophy.
let's say you did get check-raised on the flop: then hand four would be a perfect example of how at the crucial moment of a hand, when a "tight" fold is usually the best move, how if you make the mistake of continuing on instead the mistake ends up compounding itself on every street (when your dominated two pair arrives) and you can't get away. this compounding mistake issue - and having the discipline to never get stuck in it the first place - is the main thing i'm working on currently.
what you may want to work on is gathering information in a more passive way. doing so will require you to at times make more instinctual call/fold decisions than if you raised a bunch of times and then got away from the hand with a clear conscience, yet less chips in your stack.