I've been playing PLO/8 and limit O/8 off and on for the past week or so online for small money to try to learn. I realize that PLO is usually played only for high, but I am sticking with O/8 for both for now. I have a feeling that the PLO/8 may actually be okay training for high limit limit O8 games but what do I know-- I can't even read the board. I'll get into why below.
1) In limit O/8 it seems like raising before the flop in a loose game is totally pointless. (It is sort of fun to be playing a new game because I can re-see my potential psychological biases. I played HE at Foxwoods yesterday and people were saying raising AK before the flop was pointless. I worry that I am having the same sort of psychological blindness in O8.) I have taken to raising very liberally on the button with my good and great hands because I figure if I am going to win a pot, I might as well win a big one. But the concept of value seems nebulous. Like, okay I have A2Q4 double suited on the button. I raise and flop a draw to the nut low and not much else; where is that value? I guess it comes from all of the people who fold when they dont hit with their 9723.
2) I fear getting quartered way too much. There isn't much to stay about that really, I will remove that bias from my mind eventually.
3) In PLO8, it seems like just-a-low sucks. I think that I would prefer to have high cards since it is easier to win a big pot when the low doesn't get there. They are also easy to get away from if the flop comes low cards so you are pretty much always making low draws pay dearly when you hit. It seems like that this might be the way higher limit games go. You might get to play more HU or shorthanded pots and the bigger cards would fare better. I have started only playing high hands or two-way low hands. In limit O8 hands like A2xx are not really great either, I kept finding myself getting quartered. But it's not so bad if there are like 8 people in preflop, to get quartered, yeah? I haven't run through the numbers. 8 people preflop, I limp the button. Let's say I flop the low but I am getting quartered for sure. It costs me 2.5 BB to call down. 4 BB in the pot preflop. If I am HU and getting quartered I risk 2.5 BB to win half of a 6.5 BB pot so it is correct to call down. Hm. I just get myself in these crappy situations where the high hand is betting and I am afraid if I overcall on the flop the other made low in the middle will raise the turn and get me out, that sort of thing. And that is why, I guess, redraws are important, so I can continue no matter what. Yeah?
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Date: 2006-09-18 18:28 (UTC)1) In limit O/8 it seems like raising before the flop in a loose game is totally pointless. (It is sort of fun to be playing a new game because I can re-see my potential psychological biases. I played HE at Foxwoods yesterday and people were saying raising AK before the flop was pointless. I worry that I am having the same sort of psychological blindness in O8.) I have taken to raising very liberally on the button with my good and great hands because I figure if I am going to win a pot, I might as well win a big one. But the concept of value seems nebulous. Like, okay I have A2Q4 double suited on the button. I raise and flop a draw to the nut low and not much else; where is that value? I guess it comes from all of the people who fold when they dont hit with their 9723.
2) I fear getting quartered way too much. There isn't much to stay about that really, I will remove that bias from my mind eventually.
3) In PLO8, it seems like just-a-low sucks. I think that I would prefer to have high cards since it is easier to win a big pot when the low doesn't get there. They are also easy to get away from if the flop comes low cards so you are pretty much always making low draws pay dearly when you hit. It seems like that this might be the way higher limit games go. You might get to play more HU or shorthanded pots and the bigger cards would fare better. I have started only playing high hands or two-way low hands. In limit O8 hands like A2xx are not really great either, I kept finding myself getting quartered. But it's not so bad if there are like 8 people in preflop, to get quartered, yeah? I haven't run through the numbers. 8 people preflop, I limp the button. Let's say I flop the low but I am getting quartered for sure. It costs me 2.5 BB to call down. 4 BB in the pot preflop. If I am HU and getting quartered I risk 2.5 BB to win half of a 6.5 BB pot so it is correct to call down. Hm. I just get myself in these crappy situations where the high hand is betting and I am afraid if I overcall on the flop the other made low in the middle will raise the turn and get me out, that sort of thing. And that is why, I guess, redraws are important, so I can continue no matter what. Yeah?