i certainly don't think steven slow-rolled. any slowness that occured was just due to him nearly mucking his cards and then having to stop himself after he realized he spiked a miracle card. i'm sure in his head he was as convinced that he had lost as nick was convinced that he had won. but steven will have to defend himself (if that's his wish).
i'm not sure what to say about any "silly whispering." i'm not guilty of it, and i don't think i've heard all the things you've heard. i don't doubt that it's happened though -- i guess that's just the nature of a group where not everybody gets along perfectly.
i've never fully understood your differentiation between a homegame and a casino game. i play pretty much the same at home as i do at the casino -- i just sit there and play my best poker and try to take everybody's money. to me, that's the point. that's poker.
but this discussion has made me see one potential key difference between a classic home game and a casino. a classic home game forms when a rather small group of friends gather to play poker. typically these people know each other from relationships that exist outside of the poker game. they're old friends, business associates, or relatives. typically the group is small, is difficult to organize regularly, and plays for small stakes (it's hard to be really laid back about EV and edges with friends for serious money).
on the other hand, riverstreet is a larger group, organized by me, of people who otherwise don't know each other. they come to socialize and play poker. but since they aren't otherwise friends, i think it's hard to avoid some of the conflicts that you're pointing out. i think the only primary solutions are: 1) put on some thick skin, and 2) treat it more like a 'casino," if that's what it takes.
but i don't want to get into the business of defending rude whispers or explaining how adults should interact. i personally think i treat everybody with respect, so i'm not sure what i can do beyond that.
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Re: ... the first two points.
Date: 2005-01-03 08:10 (UTC)i certainly don't think steven slow-rolled. any slowness that occured was just due to him nearly mucking his cards and then having to stop himself after he realized he spiked a miracle card. i'm sure in his head he was as convinced that he had lost as nick was convinced that he had won. but steven will have to defend himself (if that's his wish).
i'm not sure what to say about any "silly whispering." i'm not guilty of it, and i don't think i've heard all the things you've heard. i don't doubt that it's happened though -- i guess that's just the nature of a group where not everybody gets along perfectly.
i've never fully understood your differentiation between a homegame and a casino game. i play pretty much the same at home as i do at the casino -- i just sit there and play my best poker and try to take everybody's money. to me, that's the point. that's poker.
but this discussion has made me see one potential key difference between a classic home game and a casino. a classic home game forms when a rather small group of friends gather to play poker. typically these people know each other from relationships that exist outside of the poker game. they're old friends, business associates, or relatives. typically the group is small, is difficult to organize regularly, and plays for small stakes (it's hard to be really laid back about EV and edges with friends for serious money).
on the other hand, riverstreet is a larger group, organized by me, of people who otherwise don't know each other. they come to socialize and play poker. but since they aren't otherwise friends, i think it's hard to avoid some of the conflicts that you're pointing out. i think the only primary solutions are: 1) put on some thick skin, and 2) treat it more like a 'casino," if that's what it takes.
but i don't want to get into the business of defending rude whispers or explaining how adults should interact. i personally think i treat everybody with respect, so i'm not sure what i can do beyond that.