Yes, I agree that saying nothing might have been the best. However, I
realize that likely I said what I did to encourage him to continue
overplaying one pair. The point is that this guy's standard mistake
is that he overvalues “top pair, strong kicker” and
overpairs. That's where his money is getting dumped into the game. I
want him to continue to feel that overbetting big pairs is the best
play.
Yeah, I got lucky, but he didn't need to lose so much there. As
someone asked elsewhere in the thread, what's the right play for him,
in my opinion? I think the right play is to bet out half the pot
($50) and if he gets called by anyone but the calling station, tread
very carefully on the turn. There is no way the other two of
us (of the four who saw the flop) would have called any reasonable
flop bet from him without at least trip fives. If he was thinking
more about what we had than what he had, he'd have realized that and
limited his losses when out of position by making more of a feeler
bet. That feeler bet is going to take it down, unless (a) one of the
two stronger players in the pot has a five or (b) the calling station
has a flush draw or a five.
He may end up all-in against the calling station, and if the flush
doesn't get there, he might get it all-in against the calling
station's trips, but that dude only had $200 or less behind. That's,
frankly, the only guy he can think he's beating if he gets called for
half the pot on the flop! There is no way he can reasonably think
that committed his chips against any of two other strong players is a
good move.
I agree that a different response might have been better. But, OTOH,
the goal in making a comment is to keep this guy thinking he just got
“unlucky”. I don't agree; he could have lost a lot less.
As swolfe said, he played the hand terribly.
As for mentioning the bad beat jackpot, I wanted to make sure I drew
the dealer's (and the table's) attention to the possibility (again,
thinking the rules hadn't changed since two nights before). I had
heard the club owner complaining that it had been hit the previous
night, and I didn't want anyone to miss the fact that our table was
owed $1,000 if it turned out to be so.
BTW, I should note that if this anonymous poster is who I think it is,
that I've seen him lay down Aces multiple times very correctly in
spots where it was clear you were beat. I agree about your trip-seven
flop hand, particularly against weak opponents who will get it in with
you with any overpair, but this guy could have done better.
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Re: so the deck hit you
Date: 2006-03-08 16:36 (UTC)Yes, I agree that saying nothing might have been the best. However, I realize that likely I said what I did to encourage him to continue overplaying one pair. The point is that this guy's standard mistake is that he overvalues “top pair, strong kicker” and overpairs. That's where his money is getting dumped into the game. I want him to continue to feel that overbetting big pairs is the best play.
Yeah, I got lucky, but he didn't need to lose so much there. As someone asked elsewhere in the thread, what's the right play for him, in my opinion? I think the right play is to bet out half the pot ($50) and if he gets called by anyone but the calling station, tread very carefully on the turn. There is no way the other two of us (of the four who saw the flop) would have called any reasonable flop bet from him without at least trip fives. If he was thinking more about what we had than what he had, he'd have realized that and limited his losses when out of position by making more of a feeler bet. That feeler bet is going to take it down, unless (a) one of the two stronger players in the pot has a five or (b) the calling station has a flush draw or a five.
He may end up all-in against the calling station, and if the flush doesn't get there, he might get it all-in against the calling station's trips, but that dude only had $200 or less behind. That's, frankly, the only guy he can think he's beating if he gets called for half the pot on the flop! There is no way he can reasonably think that committed his chips against any of two other strong players is a good move.
I agree that a different response might have been better. But, OTOH, the goal in making a comment is to keep this guy thinking he just got “unlucky”. I don't agree; he could have lost a lot less. As![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
swolfe said, he played the hand terribly.
As for mentioning the bad beat jackpot, I wanted to make sure I drew the dealer's (and the table's) attention to the possibility (again, thinking the rules hadn't changed since two nights before). I had heard the club owner complaining that it had been hit the previous night, and I didn't want anyone to miss the fact that our table was owed $1,000 if it turned out to be so.
BTW, I should note that if this anonymous poster is who I think it is, that I've seen him lay down Aces multiple times very correctly in spots where it was clear you were beat. I agree about your trip-seven flop hand, particularly against weak opponents who will get it in with you with any overpair, but this guy could have done better.